that acutally makes … that acutally makes sense what he said because most pros on tour don’t cut across the ball to hit a fade. They always hit to the outside, but with a draw the clubface is square at impact and when hitting a fade its a little bit open. Though as u guys have said u can create a hook with the clubface open, thats way many players who plays a cut, miss is left. The swing path has a lot to do yes, but so does how the clubface is at impact.
Gotta say I thing … Gotta say I thing Jim’s wrong about ball flight. It’s the swing path that determines whether it draws or fades and the club face determines where the ball starts. I draw the ball but my clubface is 2 degrees open at impact.
Jim hits way … Jim hits way shallow on the ball with a little bit open face about 6 degrees open and draws it. If his face was square fore left. Footjoy is right on about this video.
Don’t feel bad, a … Don’t feel bad, a recent poll had 55% of tour players with the same false beliefs as you. Talk to any golfing machine instructor, or morad instructor, or stack and tilt instructor. I am not going to dispute you any longer b/c you will not seek the answers, it is just what you feel, so like I said best wishes and good luck.
and that’s why a … and that’s why a tennis player can hit 100mph+ serves with a tennis racket that’s pointing 70 degrees to the left of target is it? or shane warne bowling a cricket ball with his hand 90 degrees right of his target? or david beckhams closed foot bending a football around the wall into the goal? it’s basic physics and i’m guessing that you can’t shape your golf shots like jim furyk can.
I am just making a … I am just making a point that the ball starts out where the clubface is aimed, no matter if it is a putter or a driver. Once the ball has started on this path the spin will take over and move the ball left, right, up or down. The spin is a result of the path. Furyk said the path determines where the ball starts out and that is 100% not true, the clubface determines where the ball starts out. Like I said, watch the stack and tilt dvd, they spend alot of time defining this. Best wishes.
there is no … there is no backspin with a putter, or any other club that you wish to hit along the ground with little clubhead speed, friction will put a stop to backspin but NOT sidespin and that is not a good comparision to a full golf shot.
Now, open your … Now, open your putter face 10 degrees to the target line and make a stroke down the target line keeping the putter open 10 degrees, the ball will start exactly 10 degrees to the right, not down the path as you believe. No matter what the swing path, or what club, the ball will always start out where the clubface is aimed. Try this before you respond please, with any club.
You are getting … You are getting closer, you almost understand b/c you said to draw a ball with an open club face you would have to attack the ball from an extreme inside angle. Not so extreme, If the face is open 2 degrees and you are swinging 4 degrees to the right of the path, you are now hitting a draw with an open clubface. It is that simple,
only joking, but … only joking, but seriously, to draw a ball with an open club face you would have to attack the ball from an extreme inside angle (further to the right than the club face) but the ball would still end up to the right (where the club face is aimed at impact). clubhead path determines where the ball starts because the backspin rate overpowers the side spin rate. you simply cannot put more side spin on than back spin, this explains why the ball curves more with a driver than a wedge(less backspin)
Would be glad to … Would be glad to demonstrate, with any club, all you have to do is watch Steve Elkington, his club face is open about 3 to 4 degrees at impact, and he draws every shot. One can not prove it without the aid of a high speed camera. Watch Disc 3 (Analyzing your shot) of the Stack and tilt dvds and you will get your answer. Please stay away from my testicles!!!
let’s see you … let’s see you demonstrate that footjoy, hopefully you’ll hit yourself in the balls with your club head and save us all the job of doing it for you
Yes, as a matter of … Yes, as a matter of fact you would, not with an out to in, but an in to out swing. The face would be open to the target line but closed to the path. The ball would start out right since the face is aimed to the right at impact and as a result of the face being closed to the path, it would draw back to the target. Any player that starts the ball to the right and draws it back is doing this with an open face to the target.
He actually is … He actually is wrong, the clubface determines where the ball starts out, not the swing path. The swing path determines the curvature of the ball and where it ends up. This is a world class golfer who has it backwords. It goes to show it is not always about properly understanding what is happening in your golf swing to be able to play great golf.
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He goes about as …
He goes about as straight up as you can on the backswing, and drives his right elbow right into his right hip and through the ball.
His swing isn’t really that unconvential.
that acutally makes …
that acutally makes sense what he said because most pros on tour don’t cut across the ball to hit a fade. They always hit to the outside, but with a draw the clubface is square at impact and when hitting a fade its a little bit open. Though as u guys have said u can create a hook with the clubface open, thats way many players who plays a cut, miss is left. The swing path has a lot to do yes, but so does how the clubface is at impact.
whats ur handicap
whats ur handicap
No not really, it’s …
No not really, it’s on my channel why dont you judge for yourself?
maybe u have a …
maybe u have a crooked as golf swing
Gotta say I thing …
Gotta say I thing Jim’s wrong about ball flight. It’s the swing path that determines whether it draws or fades and the club face determines where the ball starts. I draw the ball but my clubface is 2 degrees open at impact.
Jim hits way …
Jim hits way shallow on the ball with a little bit open face about 6 degrees open and draws it. If his face was square fore left. Footjoy is right on about this video.
Don’t feel bad, a …
Don’t feel bad, a recent poll had 55% of tour players with the same false beliefs as you. Talk to any golfing machine instructor, or morad instructor, or stack and tilt instructor. I am not going to dispute you any longer b/c you will not seek the answers, it is just what you feel, so like I said best wishes and good luck.
and that’s why a …
and that’s why a tennis player can hit 100mph+ serves with a tennis racket that’s pointing 70 degrees to the left of target is it? or shane warne bowling a cricket ball with his hand 90 degrees right of his target? or david beckhams closed foot bending a football around the wall into the goal? it’s basic physics and i’m guessing that you can’t shape your golf shots like jim furyk can.
I am just making a …
I am just making a point that the ball starts out where the clubface is aimed, no matter if it is a putter or a driver. Once the ball has started on this path the spin will take over and move the ball left, right, up or down. The spin is a result of the path. Furyk said the path determines where the ball starts out and that is 100% not true, the clubface determines where the ball starts out. Like I said, watch the stack and tilt dvd, they spend alot of time defining this. Best wishes.
there is no …
there is no backspin with a putter, or any other club that you wish to hit along the ground with little clubhead speed, friction will put a stop to backspin but NOT sidespin and that is not a good comparision to a full golf shot.
Now, open your …
Now, open your putter face 10 degrees to the target line and make a stroke down the target line keeping the putter open 10 degrees, the ball will start exactly 10 degrees to the right, not down the path as you believe. No matter what the swing path, or what club, the ball will always start out where the clubface is aimed. Try this before you respond please, with any club.
You are getting …
You are getting closer, you almost understand b/c you said to draw a ball with an open club face you would have to attack the ball from an extreme inside angle. Not so extreme, If the face is open 2 degrees and you are swinging 4 degrees to the right of the path, you are now hitting a draw with an open clubface. It is that simple,
only joking, but …
only joking, but seriously, to draw a ball with an open club face you would have to attack the ball from an extreme inside angle (further to the right than the club face) but the ball would still end up to the right (where the club face is aimed at impact). clubhead path determines where the ball starts because the backspin rate overpowers the side spin rate. you simply cannot put more side spin on than back spin, this explains why the ball curves more with a driver than a wedge(less backspin)
Would be glad to …
Would be glad to demonstrate, with any club, all you have to do is watch Steve Elkington, his club face is open about 3 to 4 degrees at impact, and he draws every shot. One can not prove it without the aid of a high speed camera. Watch Disc 3 (Analyzing your shot) of the Stack and tilt dvds and you will get your answer. Please stay away from my testicles!!!
let’s see you …
let’s see you demonstrate that footjoy, hopefully you’ll hit yourself in the balls with your club head and save us all the job of doing it for you
Yes, as a matter of …
Yes, as a matter of fact you would, not with an out to in, but an in to out swing. The face would be open to the target line but closed to the path. The ball would start out right since the face is aimed to the right at impact and as a result of the face being closed to the path, it would draw back to the target. Any player that starts the ball to the right and draws it back is doing this with an open face to the target.
I think you got …
I think you got that reversed…if that was the case, would we be swinging with open faces on an out-to-in path to hit a draw?
He actually is …
He actually is wrong, the clubface determines where the ball starts out, not the swing path. The swing path determines the curvature of the ball and where it ends up. This is a world class golfer who has it backwords. It goes to show it is not always about properly understanding what is happening in your golf swing to be able to play great golf.